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Discussion: Stories of Provision

As God shows us more and more how not to trust in money (and our own strength), but instead trust in God (and in doing so he makes a way with or without money), it is good to take stock of the miracles God has done in our lives, and share these testimonies with one another.

Some trust in chariots and some in horses, but we trust in the name of the Lord our God.

Psalm 20:7

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word that comes from the mouth of God.’ 

Matthew 4:4

Stories of Needs being Met:

  • Housing
  • Office Space
  • Suppliers, Employees, Venders
  • Vehicles
  • Food, Clothing, Gas, Fuel, Healing, Electricity, Water, Utilities, Phone
  • Taxes

But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well. 

Matthew 6:33

Beyond the basics, stories of more than we could ask or think. Stories of Blessings Beyond Needs:

  • Nice things
  • gifts
  • hobbies
  • time away
  • rest
  • relaxation

Take delight in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart. 

Psalm 37:4

Discussion: Prophesied banking disruptions and inflation

Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21

Of Issachar, men who had understanding of the times, to know what Israel ought to do

1 Chronicles 12:32

Recently, a video has gone viral of Pastor Dana Coverstone from Kentucky who had a series of 3 dreams. Essentially the first dream has been fulfilled in the Corona Virus and the recent civil unrest triggered by the death of George Floyd.

You can view that video here:

What caught my attention at the end of the video were two notable aspects:

  1. roofs of banks being removed and money vacuumed out
  2. that change for a dollar was no longer needed because of inflation

So, whatever we make of this dream, it reminds me of many similar earlier prophetic words given by respected prophetic voices. Here are a couple :

John Paul Jackson: funding drying up and inflation:
Shane Warren: Hurricane of worthless one dollar bills:

All of this aspect of financial difficulty fits into a bigger narrative, and that is the many times over prophesied great humbling of the USA in order to turn the Church and the nation back to God. For you reference, here are some key words related to this:

Great U.S. Humbling Prophetic Words:

Rick Joyner Civil War dream (April 2019). The fires burning in cities and riots in NYC and Chicago already has come to pass…

Key Strategic Words given decades ago:
John Paul Jackson – Coming Perfect Storm
Bob Jones – Perfect Storm

Grant Berry messianic friends wrecking ball vision very similar to Dana Coverstone dreams…

Part 2…

Finally, all of what’s going on fits my 2008 train wreck dream :

Important word from John Mulinde (click the link) who is Ugandan Apostolic leader in 2004
minute 6:12 in the video for USA:

  1. Mammon – my people have made money a god in my place
  2. Human pride in man’s achievements (Pharaoh: I built the Nile)
  3. Liberty to sin (hyper grace)

Raymond Mooi: Mammon and the Midianites from 2008 (part 1 and 2):

Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious People. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

President John Adams 1798


Should there be separation or integration of Church and State; Church and Business?

How did we fall into money idolatry and greed?

Thesis I: The proliferation of greed (and the systemic lack of concern for the poor, for people) in the normal course of business practices of our nation which continues to spread largely unchecked, even unnoticed, is due to building upon a foundation of falsehood (building house on sand Matt 7:26).

That falsehood is the premise that business (and government) should be done in the absence of religion. Religion or faith should be practiced in private, goes the falsehood as it is a personal matter and has no place in business. Because of this lie being reinforced by shareholders, managements, governments, HR departments, and civil court rooms among other institutions, the enemy has crept in mostly unawares, allowing blind spots to grow writ large where few biblically anchored moral and ethical voices are allowed to speak up. Because too often our country’s founding Judeo-Christian faith must be “checked at the door” when it comes to business, it creates a vacuum of ethical and moral grounding – a relativism, which is filled in with rationalization of profitability, efficiency and expediency.

This is a conformity to a “white washed” set of business practices that is designed to be “swallowed” as a “business is business” in the name of efficiency and effectiveness (just leave faith private). It is a conformity to a “Spirit of this World” and the opposite of Holiness unto God (set apart and consecrated). (Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind -Romans 12:2)

Sometimes I refer to this as a barbell strategy. Make all you can, however you can (all is fair in love, war and business). Then, tithe and be generous with the spoils. If you do, God shines his favor on you. Many Christians fall into this trap. I fell into this trap. My Christian mentors encouraged me in this trap because it helped fund the ministry. I call it being a Business Pharisee. I have even heard the following quote used to ratify such an approach: “Earn as much as you can. Save as much as you can. Give as much as you can”- John Wesley

This premise is false. God cares as much and probably more about how you and I conduct our business practices and HOW we make money than what we do with the money.

Which leads us to…

Thesis II: The most impactful engine for socio-economic improvement, social justice, serving the poor, building up neighborhoods, giving people access to good jobs and education is business itself. It’s not the government. It’s not even churches. I would argue, business done well under God literally creates healthy economy, creates jobs, creates a type of family, demonstrates the gospel with deeds not just words, creates opportunity, and glorifies God. As Christians come together and serve the community together through our businesses, joined together in unity, loving our neighbor as ourselves, I believe there is no greater force of good that can be unleashed on a nation, region, state or city. Lastly, I believe the only viable platform to achieve this properly are privately owned companies (not publicly traded ones), funded by capital that is not attached to the traditional financial markets, banking, venture or private equity systems and influences. All such capital all comes with “strings attached” and a return on capital expectation as the top priority, really the only priority if we are honest (and therefore becomes the object of worship).

Salt and light. A light shining on a hill – Matt 5:15


Wall Street or Main Street

Who’s to blame?

What does our money idolatry look like?

In our weekly Zoom call (email if interested in joining), we discuss what is wrong with our current system and economy. Has the church been defensive about “Capitalism” and even tried to defend systemic greed? How have our financial markets systematized greed and how did we get here? Can it be undone? We discuss the sin of Sodom’s greed and specifically Ezekiel 16:49.

Wall Street issues

  • Hiding behind the opacity of “shareholder’s interests”
  • Wall Street profit “expectations” and the role of research analysts
  • Debt as leverage to maximize profit
  • Advent of the LBO and the hostile takeover in the 80s (“Greed is Good”)
  • Excess capital used for shareholder buybacks
  • Complexity of the civil justice system requires specialized attorneys to navigate
  • Rationalization of job relocation, elimination- explaining away decisions by “we had to do it” to preserve the company

Main Street issues

  • Manipulation of systems for extraction of money. Example: healthcare
  • Blame game: Wall Street is the scapegoat, yet all feed at it’s trough
  • Our consumer culture’s insatiable appetite for products and services
  • 70% of our GDP is consumer spending
  • Debt dependency of the consumer, corporate, municipalities, government
  • The Church and how its feeds on our consumer and money culture
  • Unholy alliance among politics, taxes and money
  • Parallels between chattel slavery and modern day economic slavery
  • Two income households the new requirement

Mentioned on the call last week, the “Field of Dreams” word from Rick Joyner in 1995. This is well worth reading:

It describes well the economic dynamic we are now entering into in the USA. It contrasts the chaos and fog of the situation on the ground, with the position of the Church being an oasis of hope, joy and unity and a “hospital” to those who are hurting.