Interview with Lucienne Sawyer of Portland, OR

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Every two weeks, we interview implementers of God’s Economy across the US and globally. Many of whom lead national or global prayer networks. Those who are a “New Breed” of business people, who are pioneering a return to biblical principles of economy, especially Jesus’ economy of giving and receiving, with divine supply in the power of prayer. Those who see themselves as much in full time ministry and prayer as much as they do being in business. A hybrid of ministry and business, if you will. All for God’s glory.

This Wednesday, October 14th, we interview Lucienne Sawyer, founder of Rea’ International, along with her team. They are unique in that they are a listening prayer network, yet also focus on Kingdom resources and finance. They have studied the world’s trade patterns and trade routes. Lucienne has a particular teaching on Mammon she and the team use in marketplace work. She states: “Understanding the theatre around us helps us to grasp what needs to be prayed into. This is true of finance too.”

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Discussion Subject: The Power of Giving

Economy of Giving and Receiving (vs. capitalism and socialism)

Freely you have received, freely you shall give. Matt 10:8
What does this scripture mean?

Compassion, generosity and the joy of giving

  • “It is better to give than receive” – Acts 20:35
  • “Don’t let your left hand know what you right is doing” – Matt 6:3
  • Don’t give to those who are rich – James 2; Prov 22:16
  • Don’t give to be seen by others – Matt 6:2
  • Give in secret – the Father will reward you openly – Matt 6:4
  • Self-interest v. Father’s interest – what is the Father doing?
  • Principle of sowing and reaping
  • “If you have a need sow a seed” the same as “giving to get”?
  • Death and multiplication – Unless a seed falls to the ground and dies – Matt 12:24-
  • Leave behind – receiving 100 fold – Mark 10:30
  • The power of sacrificial giving – the widow’s mite – Mark 12:41-44
  • The power of multiplication
  • The power of being asymmetrical and non-reciprocal giving
  • When we let go and let God, he can provide the increase
  • cast your bread on many waters – Eccl 11
  • Lending without interest
  • Lending without being expected to be repaid
  • Giving as investing
  • give and it shall be given
  • windows of heaven
  • give and you will have treasure in heaven – matt 6:19
  • Give the unrighteous mammon and make friends who welcome you in heaven – Luke 16:9

Discussion Subject:

Regional / Community Implementation
with David Warn, South Bend, Indiana

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Round Table Discussion


by Lana Vawser Ministries
This week I had a vision and I saw many in the body of Christ looking through what looked like ‘viewfinders’. These viewfinders looked like ones children use and you push the lever on the side and what you see changes. I watched as the enemy was prowling through the body of Christ and he was coming against many that were feeling defeated, tired, and downtrodden and they felt like they were losing their ‘fight’. I saw the enemy come slithering up alongside them and he began to press the lever and the view would change. The picture they were seeing was then not the accurate one. I then heard the Lord say “Pray in the spirit and pray the Word for the enemy is attempting to change your view.”

As God’s people prayed in the spirit and prayed the Word of God I saw the kids viewfinders turn to telescopes. The Lord was speaking about an upgrade of sight and prophetic vision of what is to come. In the praying in the spirit and praying the Word was a covering and shelter upon them to stop the enemy coming and changing the scene.

I heard the Lord say “The enemy is tampering with vision. It is very important right now to be asking for wisdom (James 1:5) and discernment for the enemy is coming against many of My people in such ‘sly’ ways to ‘change the vision’ and ‘change the scene’. There is an unprecedented upgrade in heavenly wisdom, insight, and understanding and the enemy is attempting to ‘change the scene’, to cause My people to despair, to cause My people to feel hopeless, discouraged, and feel weighed down.

For this is the hour that I am awakening My people to the POWER of My PROPHETIC VOICE. This Is the hour where I am awakening My people to My power that they walk in when they are walking in heavenly vision, wisdom, and strategy. The enemy is working hard to bring confusion and heaviness against My people and cause such deep despair that they lose hope in the vision I have given them. But I say unto you My people, pray in the Spirit and pray My Word and watch the enemy flee. The enemy is attempting to lull you back to sleep with deceptive scenes that are not from Me and are opposite to the Rhema words that I am speaking into your life for your life, for your cities and nations. You MUST remain awake and diligent and vigilant in praying in the Spirit and praying My Word.”


The Lord showed me that many that are being assaulted by this constant assault from the enemy ‘changing the scenery’ through his lies, his confusion, his deception to keep the Church asleep, without a voice, and hidden in the shadows. The Lord showed me that the enemy is wanting the people of God walking around confused and living reactionary and on the defense rather than the offense.

I had a vision and the Lord began to show me that this is such a significant time right now, especially leading up to Rosh Hashanah. There are scrolls from heaven that the Lord Is releasing that contain insight, revelatory understanding, and wisdom for the new Hebrew Year and this era that contains such strategy and specifics of the Lord’s intentions that as God’s people receive, embrace and obey what is written on these scrolls that there will be significant shifting of landscapes as we know it, and the revelation contained within these scrolls is so deep, the mysteries of God (Daniel 2:22) so profound that engaging with the Holy Spirit in ‘eating’ these scrolls will bring incredible transformation to God’s people. I watched as boldness filled God’s people in the revelation of what the Lord had spoken and written upon the scrolls. I watched as God’s people were full of vision, clarity, and insight. I watched as the fear that had muzzled them and the haze of confusion suddenly broke off and a conviction of the word of the Lord burned deeply within them.

The Lord spoke again “What is contained on many of these scrolls is for NATIONS. As these scrolls are received, as they pray, intercede, and decree what I have written on these scrolls, and as they release and obey the strategy I am releasing in My wisdom, it will change the TERRAIN of NATIONS.” The sense then surrounded me SO strongly of Habakkuk 2:14 “For the earth will be filled with the knowledge of the glory of the Lord as the waters cover the sea.” (ESV)


The Lord showed me that these scrolls will EXPOSE and CHALLENGE areas of unbelief in hearts. There is an invitation contained within these scrolls to partner with heavenly wisdom and heavenly VISION. In the exposing and challenging areas of unbelief in the heart, repent and align yourself with what the Lord is speaking and what He is revealing, will ignite new levels of faith in God’s people and the invitation will be weightier than it has been to ‘live from your seat’ (Ephesians 2:6). It is IMPERATIVE to embrace and align with what the Lord reveals on these scrolls. It is time for the body of Christ to align in greater ways with the Word of God, His wisdom and what He is speaking (Matthew 4:4)

The Lord is going to demonstrate the POWER of His prophetic voice in this hour and He is looking for those who are not living on the ground and living in the natural realm, He is looking for those who are living from their seat and will take Him at His Word no matter what it looks like or what the cost. The Lord wants all to receive these scrolls He is releasing in this new era, but pride, opinion, presumption, and assumption, will hinder many from receiving these scrolls. It those that are walking in humility, purity, tenderness of heart towards the Lord, truly friends of God that are going to be the ones that will carry and operate in the wisdom contained on these scrolls.

The enemy is fighting many hard right now to ‘confuse’ vision and change the ‘view’ because there is a significant increase of heavenly vision, wisdom, and clarity upon God’s people that are positioned, asking, and waiting for it. (Proverbs 8:34-35 TPT) Keep praying in the Spirit and pray His Word and watch the enemy flee

November 11-14th
New Breed Gathering San Antonio

We are gathering in San Antonio this November 11 as a remnant united, repenting and standing in the gap for America’s four great sins that God judges every nation for in scripture : Forsaking God, Shedding of Innocent Blood, Sexual Immorality and Greed. We will also be moving into the new wineskin by teaching on the Lamb’s reformation, preparing the Bride for the coming wedding banquet, entering into into the Millennium, and establishing the Government of God on the earth.

Implementation Example

Part II: Mission City, San Antonio with Jonathan Serenil

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History of Apostolic Ministry Center Revelation:

  • 1999 Superbowl Sunday vision of Mission City
  • 2017 MA trip led to Jonathan Friz 2017 and Northfield ARK model
  • 2019 CO trip met Gayle Perry and Lighthouse Vision
  • 2019 FL Trip – Intercession City, FL model

Related Models

  • Cities of Righteousness (Gary Crawford)
  • Cities of Refuge (Jews making Aliyah and Church underground railroad)
  • Apostolic Hubs (Chuck Pierce)
  • Holy Spirit Hot-Spots
  • St. Patrick and Celtic “Monasteries”
  • Freedom Centers
  • Collaborative ARK (Northfield, JAMA)
The 4-in-1 Model

The “One”

  • Prayer (e.g., Moody Chapel, Mt. Zion HOP, intercession, Tabernacle of David 24/7 worship and prayer)

The “Four”

  • Missions (e.g., Student Volunteer Movement, US Center for World Missions, Inherit The Nations)
  • Education (e.g., Moody girls and boys school, Training and Equipping for the NE Church, CS Lewis University)
  • Church Unity (e.g., summer campground gatherings, NE united nights of worship, 10 Days events)
  • Local Community (e.g., Trinity church Northfield, farming, local commerce, housing)

HUB and Spoke cell structure

  • Tying all types of churches together through HUB and spoke system

November 11-14th
New Breed Gathering San Antonio

We are gathering in San Antonio this November 11 as a remnant united, repenting and standing in the gap for America’s four great sins that God judges every nation for in scripture : Forsaking God, Shedding of Innocent Blood, Sexual Immorality and Greed. We will also be moving into the new wineskin by teaching on the Lamb’s reformation, preparing the Bride for the coming wedding banquet, entering into into the Millennium, and establishing the Government of God on the earth.

Discussion: The future of Crypto Currency and its potential role in Kingdom Finance

Crypto currency is a specific form of digital currency. It has interesting attributes, such as block-chain technology, a decentralized and distributed ledger, its “mining” system of replicating the ledger. It is also part of what is newly being termed as DeFi, or “Decentralized Finance” (as opposed to traditional banking centralized systems which are by design for data integrity – think about keeping accurate, real-time bank balances).

If you want to take a deeper dive on some of this stuff, you can find a recent article in Forbes here:

Forbes Crypto Trends Article August 31, 2020

These Goldman Sachs research slides on Crypto are good background:

Here is a recent Crypto / DeFi (Decentralized Finance) investment banking “FinTech” conference (thanks to Joel Frazier for referring):

DeFi banking conference YouTube playlist 14 videos

Some interesting sub-subjects within that playlist:

Bitcoin first mass “Crypto”

Bitcoin annotated price chart, Goldman Sachs

Pros of Crypto

  • Outside of the banking regulation regime and Federal Reserve
  • Hard to cheat due to the transparency of the distributed ledger
  • Some early adoption being accepting as currency and alternative to settlement / payment in the central bank currencies and systems
  • Technology allows for trusted exchange of value online (digitally)
  • Anonymous

Cons of Crypto

  • Bitcoin and other early adopters have history of criminal activity driving usage and price. Drugs. Prostitution / Human Trafficking. Porn.
  • Fiat currency – nothing of substance or value back cryptos
  • Bubble currency – crypto has a large draw to many speculators because of a “gold rush” mentality. It is just going to go higher, so by low and sell high! This creates price instability and is a actually a big negative as a currency people can depend on, say to fight inflation and product price instability
  • Adoption hurdles for real world use – most transactions still not Crypto enabled

Block Chain compared with Crypto

  • What is block-chain technology and why should I care?
  • Crypto uses block-chain technology, but Crypto not its only applicability
  • Block chain is more the core technology behind Crypto – i.e., distributed data and transparency and availability of public record
  • Lessons learned from Bitcoin and Ethereum

Regulation and Federal Reserve

The Federal Reserve is studying crypto and digital currency for central bank use, here is their recent talk on the subject, including their collaboration in the Boston Fed and MIT (thanks to Merrick Fin for discussion idea):

August 13, 2020 Fed Speech

  • How might the Fed use digital currency in days ahead?
  • What does the regulators and the Federal Reserve think of Crypto?
  • How might the Fed adopt a digital currency pf their own in the future?
  • How could a cashless society benefit, hinder or even control US citizens? God’s people?
  • What are the alternatives?

Kingdom Applicability of Digital Currency, DeFi, Block-chain, and/or Crypto:

  • Technologies could be utilized to create an “off-the-grid” alternative away from dependence on the Federal Reserve banking system
  • Resources could not be reclaimed by regulators through a “bail-in”
  • Could be utilized to help create alternative currency that was not tied solely to USD, or to the USD at all
  • Could be combined with local storehouses concept to create local resource pools that back a digital currency
  • Such asset-backing will stabilize the value of any alternative currency
  • A “New Breed” of Kingdom culture, education and discipleship in the area of commerce / finance would need be part
  • Kingdom elders in a region can provide governance aspect, even judiciary aspect
  • Distributed / decentralized aspect fits to the broader Kingdom networks across geographies, affinity groups
  • Analogy of Christians going on pilgrimage to the Holy Land during the crusades and how they could put their money “on deposit” with the Knights Templar who were a Catholic military order who established the first modern era banking concepts across geographies

Related Chuck Pierce Dream Excerpt

I realized that I needed to update my wife, Pam, on my location and what I was doing. I went to use my cell phone to call her but knew it was not the proper way to communicate. It’s not that I couldn’t use my cell phone—I just knew that by using it, I would thwart the business that we had in the port. In other words, the line was not secure.

By this time, I was in a lounge at the port. I noticed a land-line. I unplugged the phone and the line from the wall and brought it into a glass business center setting. I tried to use the landline but couldn’t get through and realized I needed a certain code to access an outside line. So I couldn’t use the landline to connect with my wife. I knew I could figure out the code but also realized that was not the right mode of communication in this case.

The barge captain came into the lounge and asked if I was trying to use the phone. I said yes. He said, “Using the landline will cost you an exorbitant rate, and you need a code. Let me bring you another device for communication.” (I had the impression that someone would trace a landline call to me because of how large the bill would be.)

The captain returned with a new hidden device. This was an odd pay phone looking thing about the size of a watch box. I realized that to activate the phone and make a successful connection, a portion of the device had to catch a coin from our current US dollar economy. Once the device was activated, there was a money clip—like wallet/phone that I could use to make my call. This portion of the device, however, required some sort of new currency to activate and operate the device in order to have successful communication.

This currency was like crypto-currency, but it was something else—and I knew I didn’t have the proper currency to operate the device and make my connection. Only this new currency could operate the device, and some way or another the currency had a chip in it that would cause the device to work.

Chuck Pierce May 6th, 2020 dream excerpt from “Passover Prophecies”

Chuck’s interpretive excerpts

  • Somehow gold is key in the new currency
  • Israel is a key
  • Israel can help us realign our communication and commerce
  • Now we must realign with Israel for trade. When Israel was maturing as a modern nation, many other nations resisted trading and working with Israel. It had to learn creatively how to grow, produce, and use its own food and to develop many other innovative products, devices, and systems. This will be similar for our communication in the future. Israel will help develop ways for us to communicate so our trade system will flourish.

Possible Interpretative Keys

  • Phone represents communication
  • Phone can also represent prayer or prayer networks
  • Landline – old tech banking (Fed Reserve USD)
  • Exorbitant rate -> hyperinflation of old system?
  • Currency represents means of exchange
  • Currency also could represent God’s means of exchange through favor / access through the phone device
  • Pam, Chuck’s wife, could represent the Church and prayer networks
  • Barge captain liken to Jesus
  • There seems to be need for new ideas, wisdom / shrewdness in all of this
  • Jesus has the keys / blueprint for “the device”
  • Money clip / new phone device could be related to Fintech style “App” on a phone (mobile device)
  • Like crypto, but yet not crypto could be a type of digital currency that is non-USD based with the tech of crypto (block chain), but not BitCoin or Ether or look-alike fiat speculative currency
  • Chip in it – technology based – could include embedded chips like credit cards now have to help securely identify
  • Somehow gold is key in the new currency – instead of a digital currency based on USD, it could be based on gold and/or basket of value that includes gold (silver, copper, platinum, palladium, other currencies, grain, water, etc.)
  • Catch a coin from our current US dollar economy – built inside the US governance, law and economy and includes ability to transfer USD into new currency
  • New Hidden Device – hidden from view of enemy, new in that it is newfangled tech and idea
  • Israel is a key – integrated with Israel economy / trade / currency / communication somehow – which has been supernaturally blessed by God since 1948 in many ways

Implementation Example

Mission City, San Antonio with Jonathan Serenil


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  • 1999 – Initial vision of building / ministry – Superbowl Sunday
  • 2012 – Beginning of “Revelation Lounge”
  • 2015 – God encounter: “Do you want to break a cycle?”
  • 2017 – Sent to Massachusetts, followed by Ozarks
  • 2020 – Establishing of “Mission City”

Mission City is an apostolic ministry center. We believe this is best explained in the four pillars of our ministry:


We want to encourage believers/Christian’s and non-believers/non-Christians with hope. And the only hope we have is in Jesus Christ. We believe that our words AND deeds will bring hope to others as we walk out our faith in God. 


Many times when people are encouraged they begin to ask questions and desire to follow what brought them encouragement. When that opportunity arises we believe the next step is to teach/disciple and equip them through the Word of God.


After being encouraged and equipped we have found that people begin to identify gifting and talents within themselves. It is then necessary for them to be filled and empowered by the Holy Spirit to carry out their calling.


This is two-fold. Once they are encouraged, equipped and empowered we find that many times the Holy Spirit apostolically reveals purpose and destiny and sends people out to replicate a similar model for others in whatever place they were sent to. Secondly, through many of the gifting, talents, skills, trades etc. in the people themselves, Kingdom businesses and services opportunities are made available. Through these opportunities we are able to teach others a skill and/or a trade and simply give them the ability to get out of a negative life cycle. Also, we are able to use these businesses and services to minister the hope and love of Jesus Christ to our local community whether they believe in Him or not. Many times we are able to deliver these goods and services at a reduced cost or even for free. This model may sound familiar to some. For us, we see something similar to this throughout the book of Acts. The church and people are encouraged as God is adding to the church daily those that were being saved (Acts 2:40-41, 47). The new followers were being taught and discipled (Acts 2:42, 4:2:). They were empowered by the filling of the Holy Spirit (Acts 8:15-17, 9:17). And for some they were appointed to be sent out to do what they witnessed (Acts 8:14, 8:26, 10:19-20, 13:2-4).

Excerpt from our website regarding the importance of the Tabernacle of David/House of Prayer/Prayer Room…

While there is much to explain on the subject of operations, of even higher importance is to outline the cornerstone of the Apostolic Ministry Center: the prayer room.  There are many facets, and even understanding that has yet to be given regarding what an apostolic ministry center is. Because of this, there are many perspectives and even expectations for a vision of this magnitude. It is easy to be distracted by these and lose sight of our first love, which is ministry unto the Father. The greatest commandment is to love the Lord our God. We believe that before we can ever reach our city (or even our own homes for that matter) we must first reach out to God. This is why we know that in the center of this effort resides a home for the tabernacle of David, a continuously running house of prayer.  Having a dedicated enclosed space for prayer and worship unto the Father 24/7 in the midst of this place is key. This is not only desired but we can’t emphasize enough how much this is direly NEEDED. This is the fuel and the fire for all that will transpire from this place, especially missions.”

Mission City website

Examples of God’s Supernatural Provision of Resources and People:

  • Revelation Lounge supernatural $90k provision for 3-year lease and supernatural end of lease
  • Being obedient in heading to Concord and Lexington, Boston, Plymouth, Cape Cod MA having sold everything
  • Meeting Mike Bickle in the Ozarks, the HOP revelation, and 4 days later being invited to IHOP annual staff retreat as Mike’s guest
  • Supernatural provision of housing and vehicle for Jonathan’s family
  • New lease for Mission City and how God brought in $60k of T-Shirt orders in supernaturally to cover things

Examples of Apostolic Ministry Center Revelation in the Lord’s Sending Out:

  • Jonathan Friz 2017 and Northfield ARK model in MA- 2011 Vision Gayle Perry from 2019 meeting in CO
  • Intercession City FL diagram – 2019 meeting in FL

Discussion: Timing of economic troubles and other biblical prophecy

… from Issachar, men who understood the times and knew what Israel should do

1 Chronicles 12:32

We know in part, we see [prophetically] in part…

1 Corinthians 13:9

Timing is important. We plan our days around it. We go to work at a certain time. The kids go to school at a certain time. In Ecclesiastes 3, we are told there is a time and season for everything. So as believers, timing and planning are important, yet we live by faith, not by site (2 Cor 5:7). Of course the future is not known, but the Word of God can guide us.

Teaching point: In the prophetic, timing is often the hardest part to get right in understanding or interpreting a prophetic word from the Bible or otherwise. In the prophetic, we are taught that when timing is put on a prophetic word, that prophecy will be known to be true or false by its declared timing (read Jeremiah 28:10-17).

Economic Timing

  • When will the USD collapse?
  • When will the Federal Reserve banking system fail?
  • When will the markets crash?

Is the US financial economic system of Fed Reserve capitalism the Harlot Babylon of Revelation 18?

Will China replace America as the lead economic power and is it the final Babylonian system discussed in Revelation 18?

What is the prophetic parallel of Egypt and Israel is to USA and the Church?

What is the meaning of 400 years of slavery of the Church … 1620 – 2020?

Premise: USA and its financial system have been under multi-wave financial judgment liken to Egypt’s seven-fold judgment of Ezekiel 29-32, which was a 40 year prophecy.

Assumption: We are in perhaps the 3rd wave of this judgment with CV19 – 9/11 and the 2008 financial crisis being the first two waves. If we are in a seven wave type judgment, we could be talking another 4 waves over 20 years before the fullness of the humbling transpires. Potential dateline 2000-2040.

Related: The Pilgrims landed in 1620. Signed the Mayflower Compact 11-11-1620. This year is the 400th year celebration. If our economic system is liken to Egypt and its system of slavery, are we in the same window of time God dealing with ending slavery of the Israelites (economic slavery of the church)?

Data Point: Chuck Pierce in 2012 on 40 year prophecy of the rise of China (1986-2026):
“By 2026, the Chinese could actually rule the world and Russia would begin to submit to their leading.”

Question: Is the judgment currently on the USA right now, the same judgment of the symbolic economic Harlot Babylon of Revelation 18? If so, could China represent part of the beast that takes down the Harlot (Rev 17:16)? If not, China’s global economic system may take over as the final form of economic Harlot that is judged as per Revelation 18, with the USA having been humbled prior to this.

Timing of the Lord’s Return and the restoration of Israel

So how does all of this fit into the timing of the Lord’s return – which we know is certain – yet many have falsely prophesied that it would have already happened? Where does the rapture fit into everything? So many questions !?!

  • When will the Lord return?
  • Are we in the midnight hour? (parable of the 10 virgins Matt 25)
  • When will the man of perdition be revealed (2 Thes 2:3)?
  • When will the economic system of the mark of the beast Rev 13:18 come to pass?
  • Who are the two witnesses of Rev 11? And when will they be in play?
  • Is Macron the anti-Christ and Pope Francis the false prophet?
  • When will 2/3 of Israel die (Zech 13:8)?
  • Is the War of God and Magog (Ez 38-39) the same as the battle of Armeggedon (Rev 19)? When will they occur?
  • Will the church be raptured before Christ’s return, and if so, what about the Jewish remnant and the one new man?
  • What does the man-child prophecy of Rev 12 mean? The timing?

Teaching point: Let us remain childlike in our faith, look to the Lord for wisdom and remain flexible, teachable and humble as clay under the potter’s hands. Let us “be ready in season and of season” 2 Tim 4:2. Let us build now toward the future of forever, as “the bride without spot or wrinkle”. Noah built the ark over the course of 120 years. He did not know when the flood would come, but he was ready. He was not in sin. But let not our readiness be confused with presumption, either cutting corners because we are premature, burying our talents thinking time is short instead of planting and reaping in the Kingdom (a form of the wicked servant Matt 25:25), or in sin because we think He is forever delaying His return (Matt 24:45-51) and God’s grace allows such presumptive sin.

Key Scriptures regarding the Lord’s timing

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many anti-Christs have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:18

When you see all these things, know that it is near – at the doors. This generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place

Matthew 24:33-34

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 24:36-44

But concerning the times and the seasons, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape… let us be awake and sober… putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up…

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Acts 1:6-8

When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times.”

Matthew 16:2-4

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Bob Jones on Timing

What is the Lord doing? I brought a 100 year prophesy for a long time, let’s look at it. The 1950’s reveal the power of God. William Branham, Oral Roberts, AA Allen. The 1960’s reveal the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit invaded the denominations. The 1970’s reveal the great teachers of God and they began to raise up. The 1980’s reveal the prophets of God. The 1990’s reveal the government of God. The 2000 would reveal the glory of God. You haven’t seen anything. Wait till you see the next two years! The 2010 would reveal the faith of God. It’s not have the faith “in” God, it is to have the faith “of” God. And it’s going to be those that have that earring in and hear what God is saying. And what you’ll do, you’ll proclaim it. And you’ll bring it into being. The 2020’s reveal the rest of God. To where you can rest from your labors and God will work His work through you in your rest and in your peace. The 2030’s will reveal the family of God. 2040’s will reveal the kingdom of God. 2050’s will reveal the sons and daughters of God. I only saw til 2060 and the church was still here and it wasn’t defeated by any means. It had really grown and looked a lot like Christ. So if you’ve got short range plans, make long range plans

Bob Jones 5/13/2008 on GodTV

Version of it here from 2009:

Bob Jones Vision of the End-times Church:

Notes from video:

  • Get ready for the glorious end-time church. “And I don’t know how long it will be…”
  • Bob saw 50 years, 100 years from now people are still getting saved.
  • Rev 2:1-7 Church in Ephesus – if you have lost your first love and love for people… Quit it. Get on your face. Start to love God and people again.
  • “Sometimes you can become so busy working for Him. You get so ambitious building yourself a church, not any of you are going to build a church. God is going to build His church”
  • “Spend more time making love to the Lord than I would working for Him”
  • Intimacy with the Lord is the key
  • “If the Holy Spirit gave you understanding of the stock market, you would own the stock market in 5 days”

Bob Jones: 1 Billion souls prophecy and its timing:

Mike Bickle on Timing

Knowing the generation, but not the day or the hour

The reason I say that is because there’s a bit of confusion in the Body of Christ, because people mix up the fact that we can’t know the day and the hour. They use that to say that we shouldn’t know the season or the generation. Now you can’t know it unless you’re living in it. So it’s a bit of a tension, because how do you know if you’re living in it? But Jesus says if you’re living in it you need to know that. So He by design causes us to come into agreement with the Word and the Spirit so that we know by faith as we see the evidence in the Word and as it’s manifest in society by the working of the Spirit.

Mike Bickle from Knowing The Times notes

Mike Bickle “Knowing The Times” PDF notes:

Outstanding End-Times Resources from Mike Bickle:

Discussion: Implementing an “Ark”

How to build an … ARK? An interview with Chris Lucey and Jonathan Friz…

They go by various names: The ARK Collaborative; Apostolic HUBs; Training; Equipping and Sending Centers; Holy Spirit Hot-spots; Cities of Refuge. Whatever we want to call them, they are part of the new wineskin of what God is doing on the earth as part of advancing the Kingdom and networking the Church. The city of Antioch served as a type of ARK back in the book of Acts:

While they were worshiping the Lord and fasting, the Holy Spirit said, “Set apart for me Barnabas and Saul for the work to which I have called them.

Acts 13:2

We interview Chris Lucey, Chief Administrative Officer, JAMA Global (with Jonathan Friz also as guest) on how to build an ARK. Jonathan, Chris and I have been collaborating on the ARK concept for sometime now. Here was a proposed description from 2016 regarding the Northfield D.L. Moody Campus in Western MA…

4-in-1 ARK Concept

4+1 Sound of Music DVD set in dream

Functionally, what do we understand so far? We are speaking with respect to the proposed “uses” of the campus. There seems to be several common threads to all the ideas (whether the Pioneer Team, NE Alliance, the ARK, as well as the legacy of what historically has happened on the D.L. Moody Campus). They are:

  • Prayer (e.g., Moody Chapel, Mt. Zion HOP, intercession, Tabernacle of David 24/7 worship and prayer)
  • Missions (e.g., Student Volunteer Movement, US Center for World Missions, Inherit The Nations)
  • Education (e.g., Moody girls and boys school, Training and Equipping for the NE Church, CS Lewis University)
  • Church Unity (e.g., summer campground gatherings, NE united nights of worship, 10 Days events)
  • Local Community (e.g., Trinity church Northfield, farming, local commerce, housing)

Shortly thereafter in 2017/8, Chris relocated to East Texas having agreed to be brought on as CAO for JAMA Global. This came out of advising Dr. Kim and the JAMA board in purchasing the old Keith Green’s “Teen Mania” Campus, now headquarters to J.A.M.A. Global (Jesus Awakening Movement for America) in order to form an “Ark” style collaborative. Here is an excerpt from Chris:


JAMA is building a “collaborative kingdom community”. A mix of program offerings challenge young adults to top-level senior executives. JAMA is raising up the next generation of global servant-leaders, business innovators, missionally minded entrepreneurs and thought leaders.

It is like a Spiritual Military Base

Dr. Kim founder of JAMA Global

Notes: Our campus is 471 acres with approximately 300,000 sqft – admin, dorms, gym, auditorium, cafeteria, etc. 

Components of the JAMA “Ark”:

Lindale Kingdom College – 4 year undergrad accredited college

JAMA Global Foundation – serves as a type of impact investment fund- think tank research projects to imagine new kingdom ventures

JAMA Global Church– JAMA is structured as a church 

JAMA Global Ministries – we also offer a post-grad leadership program Global Leadership Development Institute (it has over 700 alum/ 100 from SK)

JAMA Conference Facilities – dorm style services for up to 300 guests- pool with water slides & park areas- gym for indoor sports and archery – hunting on 300 acres back of the campus

The Furnace – a podcast to discuss the integration of faith and entrepreneurship as a founder

Incubator (some on campus, some virtual)- working with first time founders to co-create what they’ve been entrusted/ assigned to do

Mission Grove Homes – A pilot senior missional-living community- Beta is 50 units ( duplex/triplex ) in 2020- Full scale up to 350 homes (college, etc.)-

Mission Grove – Farms & Gardens – 5 acre organic farm w/ 3,000sqft greenhouse (supports churches & food banks) and feeds our campus – approximately 25 acres of planned farms with chickens for laying and meat processed on site ( this is in design stage )

Next stage discussions – creating a “complimentary currency” for campus and community use in US & S Korea- EB5 program possible interest for real estate development ventures – QOZ & Qualified Opportunity Fund- Seeking business that create revenue [when non-profit tax deductions for away this next decade ( over $300B+ annual revenue industrywide that is not being taxed today – it could change].

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