Discussion: Timing of economic troubles and other biblical prophecy

… from Issachar, men who understood the times and knew what Israel should do

1 Chronicles 12:32

We know in part, we see [prophetically] in part…

1 Corinthians 13:9

Timing is important. We plan our days around it. We go to work at a certain time. The kids go to school at a certain time. In Ecclesiastes 3, we are told there is a time and season for everything. So as believers, timing and planning are important, yet we live by faith, not by site (2 Cor 5:7). Of course the future is not known, but the Word of God can guide us.

Teaching point: In the prophetic, timing is often the hardest part to get right in understanding or interpreting a prophetic word from the Bible or otherwise. In the prophetic, we are taught that when timing is put on a prophetic word, that prophecy will be known to be true or false by its declared timing (read Jeremiah 28:10-17).

Economic Timing

  • When will the USD collapse?
  • When will the Federal Reserve banking system fail?
  • When will the markets crash?

Is the US financial economic system of Fed Reserve capitalism the Harlot Babylon of Revelation 18?

Will China replace America as the lead economic power and is it the final Babylonian system discussed in Revelation 18?

What is the prophetic parallel of Egypt and Israel is to USA and the Church?

What is the meaning of 400 years of slavery of the Church … 1620 – 2020?

Premise: USA and its financial system have been under multi-wave financial judgment liken to Egypt’s seven-fold judgment of Ezekiel 29-32, which was a 40 year prophecy.

Assumption: We are in perhaps the 3rd wave of this judgment with CV19 – 9/11 and the 2008 financial crisis being the first two waves. If we are in a seven wave type judgment, we could be talking another 4 waves over 20 years before the fullness of the humbling transpires. Potential dateline 2000-2040.

Related: The Pilgrims landed in 1620. Signed the Mayflower Compact 11-11-1620. This year is the 400th year celebration. If our economic system is liken to Egypt and its system of slavery, are we in the same window of time God dealing with ending slavery of the Israelites (economic slavery of the church)?

Data Point: Chuck Pierce in 2012 on 40 year prophecy of the rise of China (1986-2026):
“By 2026, the Chinese could actually rule the world and Russia would begin to submit to their leading.”

Question: Is the judgment currently on the USA right now, the same judgment of the symbolic economic Harlot Babylon of Revelation 18? If so, could China represent part of the beast that takes down the Harlot (Rev 17:16)? If not, China’s global economic system may take over as the final form of economic Harlot that is judged as per Revelation 18, with the USA having been humbled prior to this.

Timing of the Lord’s Return and the restoration of Israel

So how does all of this fit into the timing of the Lord’s return – which we know is certain – yet many have falsely prophesied that it would have already happened? Where does the rapture fit into everything? So many questions !?!

  • When will the Lord return?
  • Are we in the midnight hour? (parable of the 10 virgins Matt 25)
  • When will the man of perdition be revealed (2 Thes 2:3)?
  • When will the economic system of the mark of the beast Rev 13:18 come to pass?
  • Who are the two witnesses of Rev 11? And when will they be in play?
  • Is Macron the anti-Christ and Pope Francis the false prophet?
  • When will 2/3 of Israel die (Zech 13:8)?
  • Is the War of God and Magog (Ez 38-39) the same as the battle of Armeggedon (Rev 19)? When will they occur?
  • Will the church be raptured before Christ’s return, and if so, what about the Jewish remnant and the one new man?
  • What does the man-child prophecy of Rev 12 mean? The timing?

Teaching point: Let us remain childlike in our faith, look to the Lord for wisdom and remain flexible, teachable and humble as clay under the potter’s hands. Let us “be ready in season and of season” 2 Tim 4:2. Let us build now toward the future of forever, as “the bride without spot or wrinkle”. Noah built the ark over the course of 120 years. He did not know when the flood would come, but he was ready. He was not in sin. But let not our readiness be confused with presumption, either cutting corners because we are premature, burying our talents thinking time is short instead of planting and reaping in the Kingdom (a form of the wicked servant Matt 25:25), or in sin because we think He is forever delaying His return (Matt 24:45-51) and God’s grace allows such presumptive sin.

Key Scriptures regarding the Lord’s timing

Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many anti-Christs have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.

1 John 2:18

When you see all these things, know that it is near – at the doors. This generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place

Matthew 24:33-34

But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. But as the days of Noah were, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be. Then two men will be in the field: one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding at the mill: one will be taken and the other left. Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Lord is coming. But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into. Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.

Matthew 24:36-44

But concerning the times and the seasons, you have no need that I should write to you. For you yourselves know perfectly the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape… let us be awake and sober… putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. Therefore encourage one another and build each other up…

1 Thessalonians 5:1-11

Then they gathered around him and asked him, “Lord, are you at this time going to restore the kingdom to Israel?” He said to them: “It is not for you to know the times or the seasons the Father has set by his own authority. But you will receive power when the Holy Spirit comes on you; and you will be my witnesses in Jerusalem, and in all Judea and Samaria, and to the ends of the earth.

Acts 1:6-8

When it is evening you say, ‘It will be fair weather, for the sky is red’; and in the morning, ‘It will be foul weather today, for the sky is red and threatening.’ Hypocrites! You know how to discern the face of the sky, but you cannot discern the signs of the times.”

Matthew 16:2-4

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4

Bob Jones on Timing

What is the Lord doing? I brought a 100 year prophesy for a long time, let’s look at it. The 1950’s reveal the power of God. William Branham, Oral Roberts, AA Allen. The 1960’s reveal the Spirit of God. The Holy Spirit invaded the denominations. The 1970’s reveal the great teachers of God and they began to raise up. The 1980’s reveal the prophets of God. The 1990’s reveal the government of God. The 2000 would reveal the glory of God. You haven’t seen anything. Wait till you see the next two years! The 2010 would reveal the faith of God. It’s not have the faith “in” God, it is to have the faith “of” God. And it’s going to be those that have that earring in and hear what God is saying. And what you’ll do, you’ll proclaim it. And you’ll bring it into being. The 2020’s reveal the rest of God. To where you can rest from your labors and God will work His work through you in your rest and in your peace. The 2030’s will reveal the family of God. 2040’s will reveal the kingdom of God. 2050’s will reveal the sons and daughters of God. I only saw til 2060 and the church was still here and it wasn’t defeated by any means. It had really grown and looked a lot like Christ. So if you’ve got short range plans, make long range plans

Bob Jones 5/13/2008 on GodTV

Version of it here from 2009: https://youtu.be/ZUrfpHr0-LM

Bob Jones Vision of the End-times Church: https://youtu.be/xMmKqX9YUg4

Notes from video:

  • Get ready for the glorious end-time church. “And I don’t know how long it will be…”
  • Bob saw 50 years, 100 years from now people are still getting saved.
  • Rev 2:1-7 Church in Ephesus – if you have lost your first love and love for people… Quit it. Get on your face. Start to love God and people again.
  • “Sometimes you can become so busy working for Him. You get so ambitious building yourself a church, not any of you are going to build a church. God is going to build His church”
  • “Spend more time making love to the Lord than I would working for Him”
  • Intimacy with the Lord is the key
  • “If the Holy Spirit gave you understanding of the stock market, you would own the stock market in 5 days”

Bob Jones: 1 Billion souls prophecy and its timing: https://youtu.be/EtWKDOa2Y7w

Mike Bickle on Timing

Knowing the generation, but not the day or the hour

The reason I say that is because there’s a bit of confusion in the Body of Christ, because people mix up the fact that we can’t know the day and the hour. They use that to say that we shouldn’t know the season or the generation. Now you can’t know it unless you’re living in it. So it’s a bit of a tension, because how do you know if you’re living in it? But Jesus says if you’re living in it you need to know that. So He by design causes us to come into agreement with the Word and the Spirit so that we know by faith as we see the evidence in the Word and as it’s manifest in society by the working of the Spirit.

Mike Bickle from Knowing The Times notes

Mike Bickle “Knowing The Times” PDF notes: https://mikebickle.org/series/Knowing-the-Signs-of-the-Times

Outstanding End-Times Resources from Mike Bickle: https://mikebickle.org/category/End-Times-%26-Eternity