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Roundtable Discussion:
The Great Resignation

Is it starting to happen?

Is COVID shifting people out of corporate slavery and into small business with the freedom to glorify God?

Is God answering our prayers of revival and reformation through the crisis of CV19?

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Great Resignation

or Big Quit [ greyt rez-ig-ney-shuhn ]


The Great Resignation is an informal name for the widespread trend of a significant number of workers leaving their jobs during the COVID-19 pandemic. It’s sometimes also called the Big Quit. 

The Great Resignation is typically discussed in relation to the US workforce but the phenomenon is international. It is thought to be the result of many different factors, notably workers’ dissatisfaction with current working conditions and personal reassessments of career and lifestyle due to the changes and hardships of the pandemic.

Workers Quit Jobs in Droves to Become Their Own Bosses

Seeking flexibility or escape from corporate bureaucracy, employees discover their inner entrepreneur

Wall Street Journal

Recall our topic on Market Disruptions as part of the CV19 crisis:

And the concentration of US GDP more and more into large publicly traded (no-place-for-God) business structures…

As contrasted with small/family businesses (with the freedom to worship God and expand His Kingdom) being on the decline?

But now, because of vaccine mandates. Because of lockdown policies. Because of facing the prospect of death. Because tech dictatorship and cancel culture have been exposed. People are starting to say “Enough is Enough”. And Christians are starting their journey to “come out of Babylon” as they leave career slavery, financial security and enter into entrepreneurial endevors – having to trust God. And while that in itself isn’t necessarily fully coming out of Babylon, it can start the journey for many into freedom and out of slavery.

Implementation Example: NECAP

Famous Abolitionists: Harriot Tubman; John Brown; Angelina Grimké; William Lloyd Garrison; Harriet Beecher Stowe; Frederick Douglass; Abraham Lincoln; Ulysses S. Grant

The New England Center for the Abolition of Poverty

aka the N.E. Storehouse

Why the term Abolition?

Because Jesus has come to “set the captives free” – Isaiah 61

Jesus wants to set people free from :

  • Debt Slavery
  • Poverty
  • Greed
  • Financial Fears
  • The voice of money (Mammon)
  • Career/Corporate Slavery
  • Identity/Conformity Slavery
  • Income/Money Slavery

We know that the person we used to be was crucified with Him to put an end to sin in our bodies. Because of this we are no longer slaves to sin.

Romans 6:1-7

The New England Church has such a rich heritage of standing up for the abolition of chattel slavery in the 19th Century of the United States, that God is now calling again the NE Church into a reprisal of its abolitionist roots to help people get out of any kind of slavery in the 21st century, including economic slavery.

Background Reading / Listening:

Storehouse Vision Cast Presentation

NECAP Inspiration Dream and Word -> Banking for the Working Poor

So, sometime in early 2021, we started gathering a forerunner team every two weeks to put together the beginnings of the NE Storehouse.

This had been catalyzed a few different ways:

1. Jonathan Friz and I started talking about implementing the Storehouse vision in the New England region potentially as part of the New England Alliance in the beginning of 2020, pre-pandemic. Although we wanted to get things going, I felt in my spirit that the New England leaders were not yet ready to receive the fullness of the Storehouse / coming out of Babylon message.

2. Sometime later, Chris Adams and I were discussing how to come out of Babylon practically – and specifically how to cash out some financial market based assets and reinvest into Kingdom driven investments. I was inspired to share with Chris, this is not a passive type of investment we are talking about, but an active one, where we the people of God have to get involved in people’s lives, to help them, disciple them, and incubate their business ideas. Who do you know in Rhode Island that would be a good ministry/business/situation to “invest” in? Instead of me serving up Chris an investment product on a platter, ready-to-buy, I was challenging Chris to start looking for people / investment opportunities that we could bring a group around to invest together. Like – ‘you are part of the solution!’

3. Also sometime after early 2020, Joel Frazier approached me with the question – hey Gregg, are there any Christian debt consolidation firms that can help me payoff my credit card debt? To which I said, sure, but you don’t want to really work with them because they lend money just as any other debt consolidation or consultation firm – i.e. they will follow the same lousy business practices of charging more fees, hard money lending, payday lending, and recourse lending. (All of which actually profit from the poor, rather than simply help them.) I also said – hey before you use more debt to get out of debt (debt restructuring), have you ever considered that God wants to release miracles of debt forgiveness? Let me tell you my testimony…and then we prayed together for debt forgiveness miracles.

4. One night, after the GameStop discussions we had been having on the New Breed of Business roundtable discussions, I awoke hearing/seeing the following: “NE Center ____ Poverty”. As I awoke from this and prayed, I felt the Lord was giving guidance to the NE Storehouse vision specifically. That a core focus was the elimination of poverty. After experimenting with various names, it was like a game of ‘fill-in the blank’ to make an acronym. ‘NE_CP’… so, what might then ‘NECAP’ stand for? Wait a minute, the Lord has already been speaking about the abolition of economic slavery to the body of Christ, so maybe this should be called… “The New England Center for the Abolition of Poverty”. It’s a bit of a mouthful, but boils down to a catchy ‘NECAP’, which is like CAP for Capital, NE for New England, but the NECAP (say knee-cap) is memorable. In fact, instead of being loan sharks – who if you don’t pay will “knee-cap” you (break your legs), we are like loan doves who will help lift people out of poverty and in order to “be fruitful and multiply” as well as disciple people into becoming “the lender not the borrower”.

I presented the name via the dream to the team at the next meeting and we embraced it.

There is more to the story…but we will discuss it by interviewing the founding team of the “NECAP”.

For the creation waits in eager expectation for the children of God to be revealed

Romans 8:19

You’ve heard it said “God helps those who help themselves”, but in effect, Jesus actually says: “I will help those who help others”.

Then the King will say to those on His right hand, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: for I was hungry and you gave Me food; I was thirsty and you gave Me drink; I was a stranger and you took Me in…’

Matthew 25:34-35

The generous soul will be made rich, and he who waters will also be watered himself

Proverbs 11:25

Hope you are inspired to imagine what Storehouse the united Church could build in your city or region !

Round Table Discussion:

Opportunity Knocks

  • Is CV19 an opportunity in disguise for the body of Christ?
  • Is God shifting the Church into a new wineskin and a new way of thinking?
  • Are these the business opportunities God has prepared the New Breed for?

Unconstitutional or Inconvenient?

Grant Berry brought to my attention yesterday morning that the Roundtable Doctors Discussion video we posted here was just deleted by YouTube for reasons of “violating community guidelines”. Of course, our reaction might be: “how dare they, they are violating our constitutionally protected free speech!”

However, there is a hole in that Constitutional argument, which is this: YouTube is a private platform where all users sign a user agreement. Therefore, Alphabet (the publicly traded parent of Google and YouTube), can just say hey – it’s our business, and therefore our decision as to what our own rules are. It’s a free country. You don’t like it? Use someone else’s platform.

So, technically, they are actually exercising their free-choice to create a business and run it freely. Just like creating a club and inviting in whoever the other club members allow.

So, that’s not really the problem.

The problem is actually our own convenience, complacency and complicity!

We think it’s great that YouTube is free, works well and has the most content.

But we – the people – created these platforms with our investment capital, our usage, our propensity to respond to ads and buy those goods and services. In other words, the irony of the situation we find ourselves in, is WE CREATED THE PROBLEM. And we continue the lemming march in doing so. Does not the bible teach us that we should judge ourselves before we are judged by God (1 Cor 11:31), and further that we reap what we sow (Gal 6:7)?

Opportunity Knocks

But, the solution is to see this as an opportunity: To create new platforms (social media, collaborative community, video, etc.) with our capital, starting with our users from our community – THE CHURCH.

What if we gave away a social platform without ads, for free? For example… is an example of just that. It’s a growing platform. Click the link, and signup for the New Breed Group!

So, what are some of the other emerging opportunities? We discuss…

  • Local goods and services
  • Greenhouses
  • Clean water
  • Electricity generation
  • Wholesome entertainment
  • Objective news media

And what are the differentiators between what God is calling the New Breed to do as a form of ministry vs. just an alternative copy-cat business that slaps a Christian label on things, runs it like Babylon (the way the world creates things for fame and fortune), and produces B grade products and services?

There has got to be more….we have got to do better…

We also will examine the need to not only come out of our comfort zones / convenience, but also to have the courage to try new approaches, that require trusting God more, having courage, creativity, boldness, being entrepreneurial, experimental, not just relying on money to solve things….

Its not by might, nor by power, but by my Spirit says the Lord

Zechariah 4:6

We need to enter into agreement with God’s heart for what to do and how to do it – a spirit of wisdom according to Isiah 11 and 1 Cor 12.

A rebuilding of the old waste places; you shall raise up the foundations of many generations; and you shall be called, the Repairer of the breach. The restorer of the streets in which to dwell

Isaiah 58:12

In a sense, we must shift to MacGyvering things out (euphemism for out of the box thinking, solving problems with whatever’s available – be it toothpicks and duct tape). Frontier style living. Like the pilgrims, the rugged but wholesome life. Jesus said…

Therefore do not worry about tomorrow, for tomorrow will worry about itself. … Each day has enough trouble of its own.

Matt 6:34

You think you’ve got a thing figured out, but you don’t. You are going to have to “faith it out”

Bob Jones, God is Going to Shake the Devil Out of the Church 2012 Word

(for a good word watch below)

Finally, we also discussed that to endeavor to pursue these new opportunities, we can do them in parallel with continuing to interact with existing products and services where it does not cross over into partnership with them, which Paul warned us about:

Don’t become partners with those who reject God. How can you make a partnership out of right and wrong? That’s not partnership; that’s war. Is light best friends with dark? Does Christ go strolling with the Devil? Do trust and mistrust hold hands?

2 Corinthians 6:15-16

Joel Travis brought up the “Break Away” bridges strategy concept to illustrate this point. Some will pioneer, others will follow, but Christ is ultimately calling us completely out of Babylon, which is scheduled for destruction (Revelation 18:4) and into the Kingdom Coming ala The Promise Land.

Joel has tried to create an alternative video platform independently hosted as an experiment along these lines, and its NOT EASY to replicate YouTube’s ease of use, reliability and efficiency from an engineering standpoint. So, like we are using YouTube here, and we could also use Rumble, and we could also create our own platform. That’s the beauty of this opportunity – we still have the freedom to do both simultaneously, but then we are prepared for the coming flood, having EXERCISED our faith muscles.

While we are doing this, we also are learning how to come out of Babylon, which is to no longer trust in or depend on systems of this world which are not Christ centered. The key first step in this is to exit partnerships (co-ownership in the Babylonian system) or debt slavery (owing debt to the Babylonian system). This is why the New Breed of Business is encouraging believers to:

  1. Get out of investing in publicly traded companies embracing Babylonian practices (stock ownership is partnership with a company’s business practices)
  2. Move resources into investing in people and private businesses that have returned to practicing Judeo-Christian principals (i.e., returning to all scriptural truth, not just picking and choosing by the traditions of men), which is the “New Breed of Business”
  3. Move out being employed by corporations that are becoming more and more Anti-Christ (career and income slavery)
  4. Moving into being self-employed or employed by those Judeo-Christian run companies embracing the scriptural truth ala the “New Breed of Business”
  5. Getting out of institutional debt, either by paying it down, paying it off through the sale of other assets, or trusting God for a miracle of debt forgiveness, or
  6. Replacing that institutional debt with borrowing from fellow believers willing to lend in the biblical way, which is the way of the “New Breed of Investor”

Implementation Update with Gary Crawford

Gary Crawford will update us as to what is happening in the “OMC” (that’s the Original Manatee County – in West Central Florida/Bradenton/Sarasota). Read background here:

The Joseph Fund is essentially the Florida implementation of the Storehouse vision. It is a resource center for helping people in need, sowing into them, not just in benevolence, but in discipleship, equipping and lending. There are three funds within the Joseph fund – Rescue, Equip and Destiny. Why is lending important? Because if someone is willing to work to repay, which is an honorable goal and part of Christian discipleship into becoming the lender instead of the borrower (Deut 28:12).

Also, Gary will introduce us to a new set of videos called the Contender Series of which here is a draft of the first video. The Contender series was put together to help educate the Body of Christ about the times and seasons we are in, and how we are called to contend for the faith in the gospel of the Kingdom of Jesus Christ.

Finally, Gary will explain the City Matters platform in more detail, which is like Lotus Notes for the church. OK, what the heck is Lotus Notes (early 90s reference)? Basically it’s a collaborative cloud-based platform for the citywide church. A bit social media, a bit bulletin board, a bit of collaborative discussion, a bit writing the vision down and making it clear. It’s a way the citywide church can communicate electronically on an independent platform.

What Inhibits the Church from Moving into These Models?

Career and Calling in the 21st century – a contrast of perspectives. The stronghold of Mammon on traditional church – laity structures vs. the 5-fold (Ephesians 4) and citywide elder leadership structure.

Round Table Discussion:

Vaccine Mandates

The last two sessions, we touched on vaccine mandates – how they affect the supply chain, the economy and inflation.

We discuss the controversial topic of CV19 vaccines among the body of Christ. Some are for, some are against. Should we let this issue divide the Church?

Gary Crawford recommended a good video of a panel of doctors and scientists who discuss openly the various approaches to addressing the COVID virus and disease, including prevention, therapeutics, role of vaccines, the influences of government and the largest pharmaceutical companies.

If this gets censored, here is another copy of the video…

Government Overreach?

And what about governmental mandates and executive orders? Is it executive overreach?

Vaccine passports? Is it a violation of the Constitution? Should people lose their jobs over this? Is this bad economic policy? Is this a sign of further governmental tyranny to come?

Public Good Argument

Or on the other side, as Rick Warren says, is getting the vaccine a form of loving our neighbor? Is it good economic policy because it will expedite returning things more quickly to “normal”? And what about the argument of the public good outweighing individual freedoms?

Did you know the US Supreme Court upheld smallpox vaccine mandates in 1905 by a vote of 7-2? Read Jacobson vs. Massachusetts.

What is God saying in all this?

Round Table Discussion:
Supply Chain Part 2

(for part 1 click here)

Our prayer time before the discussion this morning started in an unusual way, with Antoinette from the UK sharing a word she just received for the USA. She disclaims it as this is the first word she has received like this for a nation. But as she began to write, everything came out in a flow – 4 pages worth. Here it is below:

Do not despise prophecies, but test everything; hold fast what is good.

1 Thessalonians 5:21

A word from the Lord to America
Given to Antoinette Anderson
Intercessor. UK

To the Jew First – A Key for the future

America your time of exploitation is up. Your season of abundance is over. It is NOW no longer…business as usual. I am lifting up your tent peg, your season of testing has come. Where will your heart be?

For many have said “Lord, Lord we have done much in your Name”. But I say…you have sewn much but will reap little, for like Saul you have acted in the strength of your own arm and have not obeyed my word ‘To the Jew First’.

You speak of ‘a perfect storm’ but you will reap an overwhelming scourge, for the nation is torn from its foundations. I alone am He who formed you. I have blessed you – but you have sold yourselves to slavery.

But to you, my faithful, true ones, to you who have not lifted up your hearts to idols, who even now stand in the gap least I destroy you completely, FEAR NOT.

Do you not know My Word which stands as a witness against you for the abundance of all I gave to you, you have squandered, to make your own name great!

Thus far and no further says your God. For you have not obeyed my command. You have lifted up your hearts against me and against my land and my people. You have treated my people lightly and not considered your ways before me. Have I not said to the Jew first? But you would not.

Have I not said your wealth is not yours to hold for yourselves, but mine to be a blessing for my people Israel, whom you have despised and detested in the haughtiness of your heart. Behold I am sending a winnowing fork amongst you, to uproot and to overturn. Hear O my people, you who fear me and hold fast to My Word and to My People. Do not be afraid in the shaking, for I will shake you, and shake you again and again, until you turn your hearts towards your elder brother. For I am a jealous God, and I am watching over My Word to perform it in your midst.

Have I not said the nation and kingdom that will not serve Israel My People will utterly be destroyed. Take heed my people, for once again I will shake the Nations – and the remnant of My People will come home. Where will you stand? For I am about to test your hearts.

You cannot serve two masters, for you do love one before the other. As surely as precious metals are tested in the fires, know for sure that your hour of testing is at hand. Will you stand O My Children, for I long for you to come to me, with one heart and one mind, My Children, My Bride; for the last shall be first, and the first shall be last. Have I not said it and will I not do it? For you surely will mourn and grieve before the hour of MY coming.

Behold I am standing at the gates, even now I cry out RETURN, return to me, rend your hearts and not your garments. For I am your God, faithful and true and I will not test you beyond what you can endure. So strengthen your stakes, secure your calling in me and in My Grace. For I am about to test your love and refine you as never before. For the the time of your abundance is over. It’s a time to weep and mourn four your hour of testing is near. Seek me with all your hearts and I will be found.

But to the hard hearted, the stubborn and rebellious – trouble and sorrow. I say REPENT repent while there is still time. For I will show you my mercy before the great and terrible day of my judgements, test me in this. For I am coming soon.

To the Jew First, for many will lay hands on a Jew and beg to go with him. For I am surely coming to judge the nations and bring my children back home, for I am their God and they are My People, whom I love with an everlasting, blazing love and will reward them double for their sins, which I will remove in a day – the day of My Glory amongst you, my faithful remnant Bride. Behold I stand at the door and knock. If any hear and obey my voice and do not harden their hearts to destruction, I will come in. To all who willingly TURN from your own ways, I will be your all sufficiency, I will be your strong tower and mighty defender.

As a bridegroom adorns his Bride so I too will adorn my beautiful spotless Bride prepared with Frankincense and Myrrh. To her I withhold no good thing.

But to the faithless, compromising and adulterous bride, the day of your travail is at hand. For I will no longer endure your adulterous ways, but you shall pass under My Rod. So be stiff necked no longer, for I am the Holy One of Israel, the coming King of Glory. Behold I bring ALL things into account on behalf of my Children Israel. All who are grafted into my commonwealth of Israel will surely arise and shine with her.

But all adulterers, liars, blasphemers whose hearts lust after evil, to your lusts you will be a abandoned.

For I am a Jealous God, so arise My Daughter, My Bride for I am A Great King who calls My People to hear My Voice and come follow My Lead.

Supply Chain

Supply-chain inflation is a very different beast – Blomberg video

Questions people have

  • What in the world is going on economically?
  • Is it just the supply chain problems, or is it too much cash chasing too few goods?
  • Is printing US dollars finally catching up to us? Is hyper inflation next?
  • Why has the housing market boomed in the midst of high unemployment and economic contraction?
  • How are the financial markets at all time highs, in the midst of all this tumult and uncertainty?
  • Why are we having inflation issues, where we didn’t have them before? Is this a high-class problem?
  • Why have vaccines been mandated around the world, seemingly wiping away years of hard fought liberties?
  • Have such mandates backfired economically, but shutting down or impeding businesses (Southwest Airlines, NYC restaurants) ?
  • Are vaccine passports a precursor to a global police state?

Why do the nations rage,
And the people plot a vain thing?
The kings of the earth set themselves,
And the rulers take counsel together,
Against the Lord and against His Anointed, saying,
“Let us break Their bonds in pieces
And cast away Their cords from us.”
“I will declare the decree:
The Lord has said to Me,
‘You are My Son,
Today I have begotten You.
Ask of Me, and I will give You
The nations for Your inheritance,
And the ends of the earth for Your possession.
You shall break them with a rod of iron;
You shall dash them to pieces like a potter’s vessel.’ ”
Now therefore, be wise, O kings;
Be instructed, you judges of the earth.
Serve the Lord with fear,
And rejoice with trembling.
Kiss the Son, lest He be angry,
And you perish in the way,
When His wrath is kindled but a little.
Blessed are all those who put their trust in Him.

Psalms 2

The Church’s Response

Again, what is God up to in this?

How does an economic slow-down instead of a shut-down redemptively help us?

Prepare us?

How do we the Church respond?

Recall and Upgrades Dream:

Saturday morning October 16

There is a massive recall of General Motors vehicles

Our family vehicle, a “Suburban” was part of the recall.

I saw a massive parking lot seemingly set somewhere in cape cod MA. Thousands of people were bringing in their vehicles.

The first step in an Assembly Line style process was the workers removing our hood from its hinges, exposing the engine.

The next step was the top-end of the motor was removed. The heads, the exhaust manifolds, the intake plenum and filter, the fuel injection system.

The “bottom-end” of the motor remained in the vehicle and did not need to be replaced.

I could see the pistons.

The removed parts were destroyed, such that they could not be used again. I specifically saw the exhaust manifold being crushed.

The whole thing reminded me of a war time effort, like the factories and assembly lines for tanks, plains and ships for World War II

Interpretative Keys:

Family vehicle = family ministry = house church, building block of local church

Thousands of vehicles = the US church = The Army of God

Cape Cod = foundation of Pilgrims = Beginning of USA

War Time Effort = Army of God

Heads = The Mind; renew your mind in Christ

Exhaust Manifold = What we speak

Exhaust Gasses = Toxicity of what comes out of our mouth; out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks

Recall, Rebuild = Church under construction; restoration of power; revival starting in families

Removing hood = transparency; vulnerability; humility; “under the hood”

Destroyed old exhaust manifold; heads = not to go back to that way of speaking, thinking (toxic, leaky)

Bottom-end not replaced, fine as is = fundamentals of the remnant Church’s faith are fine

Round Table Discussion:

Supply Chain Woes

Not enough computer chips. Not enough cars. Not enough TP. Not enough artificial Christmas Trees. What do all of these things have in common? Well, for one, they are driving inflation higher. But with the uncertainty of the future increasing (CV19, political instability, market volatility), the best laid logistical plans have been disrupted.

We take a look at what’s happening around the world and why?

What is God up to in this CV19 disrupted world?

And how should the Church, we the people of God respond?

There is no wisdom, no insight, no plan that can succeed against the LORD” 

Proverbs 21:30

The Lord brings the counsel of the nations to nothing;
He makes the plans of the peoples of no effect.”

Psalm 33:10

Many are the plans in a man’s heart, but it is the Lord’s purpose that prevails”

Proverbs 19:21

62 giant cargo ships waiting to unload outside Long Beach, CA

Good Background Reading and Listening

Trade Wars – We look at the future of global trade. Chuck Pierce on China, CV19, and the ports.

Inflation – Post-CV19 recovery inflation expectations of the Fed and Janet Yellen. True or false?

Inflation Prophecies – Inflation prophecies prior to CV19, including John Paul Jackson, John Mulinde, and Bob Jones

Round Table Discussion:
Student Loans

The debt trap of Student Loans the next generation find themselves in (fully recourse; high interest).

Educational inflation has outpaced the Consumer Price Index inflation by 4x!

The potential of various “Storehouse” solutions, including current implementation examples.

For example, Christopher Lucey will be with us to share about which he co-founded with Luke Womack.

The world of student loan debt has been with us and GROWING since the 1990’s. 

Today, we are going to highlight an organization that has done something truly inspiring that not only tackles the issue – but is solving the challenge “the storehouse way” – I’m honored to have been a mentor and encourager to Luke Womack – founder. The year before the launch we meet in my office on Saturday’s for 4-6 hours talking, brainstorming, praying, researching how we could tackle this issue and how we could design a way to release the next generation from debt to go to the UUPG’s – when the name Jesus had never been heard.

It is also an inspiration for what I believe other groups could be challenged to do for their own families and communities throughout the nation in the years ahead to free young people from debt and to unleash them to go to the nations and complete the task of the remaining mission.



GO FUND Story…..from World Magazine 

JOEL SUTTON BEGAN WORKING with the International Mission Board’s assessment and deployment team in 1999. Students had debt then too, but the average topped out at $17,000. Now, Sutton regularly talks to prospective missionaries who have between $60,000 and $100,000 in debt. “Those kinds of folks have really disqualified themselves for service,” Sutton said. “They’re living in the moment. They think they need the loan to get their education, but they don’t think about the ramifications down the road.”

Sutton and his Southern Baptist Convention colleagues urge college students to think about what they want to do with their lives before taking out loans. If students can’t avoid loans altogether, missionary recruiters urge them to take on as little debt as possible, get jobs to help pay some of their expenses, and even take a little longer to get their degree, if necessary.

That’s a hard sell, especially for students at Christian colleges, which rely on tuition payments to survive and have little incentive to encourage students to take on less debt. “We’ve found schools are not really talking to students about this,” Sutton said. “It’s a real conflict because schools are a business. Loans mean more payment out of students, so they don’t discourage them from doing the loans.”


Higher Education News – 

Expenses such as healthcare and housing continue to rise, so “simply owing on student loan debt — and, in particular, doing so for an extended period — makes it all the more difficult for borrowers to grapple with these growing costs,” the report says.

While after 20 to 25 years, the balances of these income-driven loans can be forgiven, they typically are not. The report points to a recent analysis by National Consumer Law Center that found only 32 borrowers’ loans have been erased in the time that these plans have existed. Two million federal student loan borrowers have been in repayment for 20 years, though this count includes those outside of income-driven plans. 


THE HOPE CENTER – Research Institute on Colleges in America


Round Table Discussion:

Has the “leaven of the Pharisees and Herod” inhibited deeper repentance and reform from taking place within the Church, especially financial/economic ?

Jesus warned the disciples: “Take heed, beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the leaven of Herod.” – Mark 8:15. What does Jesus’ warning mean for us today?

“Now the Pharisees, who were lovers of money, also heard all these things, and they derided Him”. – Luke 16:14

“And why do you look at the speck in your brother’s eye, but do not consider the plank in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove the speck from your eye’; and look, a plank is in your own eye? Hypocrite! First remove the plank from your own eye, and then you will see clearly to remove the speck from your brother’s eye.” – Matt 7:3-5

  • Herod = Government
  • Pharisees = Religion
  • Leaven = sin


  1. What deceptions (falsehoods, conspiracy theories) have crept into the US Church today, which prevent or limit the church from transforming a nation and seeing the revival we all hope and pray for?
  2. Who/What have we aligned with as the leaven of ‘Herod’?
  3. What divides the US Church today?

Here is an interesting insight from the CEO of the Sentinel Group’s (George Otis Jr. Transformation Videos), Larry Page. He wrote in Jan 2019:

If Jesus gave a State of the Church in America address, what might He have to say?

Don’t worry, I have no intention of speaking for God in assessing the Church. But if you will indulge me, I will share some questions I would hope He would address in such a speech.

By the way, if you think this line of thought is foolish — i.e., Jesus’ giving a State of the Church address — re-read Revelation 2-3. Like that portion of God’s Word, I assume He would have some things to commend and some things to condemn.

I would ask Jesus these questions:

• Some have stated the condition of society is the report card of the Church. Is that true?

• So much prayer is arising from the Church in this hour, calling for revival. It has been going on for a number of years now. Why have we not witnessed the answer to those prayers?

• As I scan Your “State of the Churches” address recorded in Revelation 2-3, the church that most resembles the American Church is Laodicea. Are we as blind to our own faults as they were to theirs? And are You outside the Church, knocking to get in?

• What do You recommend to remedy our condition?

I missed last night’s State of the Union address. I am at a prayer summit with other pastors and Christian leaders. It is good, but I must say, I am curious about the circus that may have been displayed around that address. I doubt anything shared there will heal the great rift in our nation.

Our needs are far beyond the reach of politicians. The hope for our nation lies in the hands of the Church, the people of God.

Round Table Discussion:
Render to Caesar what is Caesar’s

(Come Out of Babylon Part 2)

Emperor Tiberius Silver Denarius (or Tribute Penny)

Last week we started to discuss the difference between being in the world and being partnered with the world… (for context, its good to watch/read the notes from Part 1: Come Out of Babylon)

And Jesus answered and said to them, “Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” – Mark 12:17

… the world has hated them because they are not of the world, just as I am not of the world. I do not pray that You should take them out of the world, but that You should keep them from the evil one.” – John 17:14-15

In the context of God’s command for believers to come out of Babylon (Rev 18:4), how does paying taxes, using the world’s secular currencies, or even having a regular bank account (checking; savings; demand deposit) reconcile to this command?

“Come out of her, my people, so that you will not be a partner in her sins and receive her plagues“? Revelation 18:4

Jesus would never have told his disciples and the Pharisees it is permissible to use Caesar’s coinage if it represented a sin (or prohibited partnerships). In fact, it is indeed related to the scriptures about how God has instituted secular authorities to keep law and order, and we are to obey them (Peter 2:13-14; Romans 13:1).

So, critically, how are these matters then any different from economic and business partnerships with unbelievers? (co-ownership of companies, signing debt covenants, etc.). Scripturally, we must understand that the partnership prohibition with unbelievers (and Belial, aka Satan) is directly tied to the command to come out of Babylon, for the one quotes the other (Isaiah 52):

“Do not be partnered together with unbelievers. For what fellowship has righteousness with lawlessness? And what communion has light with darkness? And what accord has Christ with Belial? Or what part has a believer with an unbeliever? And what agreement has the temple of God with idols? For you are the temple of the living God…Come out from among them and be separate, says the Lord. Do not touch what is unclean, and I will receive you.” – 2 Corinthians 6:14-17

In other words, “be in the world not of the world”, which is a paraphrase of John 17.

Also, as part of Coming out of Babylon we also take a fresh look at the practical utility of:

1. Divorcing Baal/Mammon

Here is a link to a divorce and remarry legal agreement your consideration:

2. Private (and even Public) Repentance from Mammon / Babylon

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